Curse

pumpkin pie · May 06, 2008, 12:26 PM // 12:26

hrmz, what does everyone think of this drops for vanquishing raisu palace/divine path. AND, non of those weapons have max stats! lololol... don't vanquish raisu palace today, its been looted!

Age · May 06, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by dunky_g

Tbh its almost as simple as ursan to run.

you only need a simple amount of Gw knowlage to understand the concept of a 55.

That is not necessarily so or there wouldn't be all the post on how to play it in Monk forum as it is not as easy as ursan only a fool would believe that.It might not take bot program that to do this but that is a program.The 55 is not meant for anyone who really don't understand how the skills work.There are several 55 build out there not just one and it is not always Monk.There is N/Mo,E/Mo,Mes/Mo and possibly Rit/Mo.

Protective Spirit isn't just the core of the build.

Tyla · May 06, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

Whole thread title is wrong, the 55 was majorly nerfed two times. Once when [Protective Bond] was nerfed so bad it would never get used again and a second time when Loot Scaling was introduced and all forms of solo farming took a major hit. Loot Scaling always made me wonder about the A-Net team, while tagged as a counter to gold sellers it probably caused an increased demand for gold sellers.

The PBond nerf was because of a bug, but I agree on your other point.

@Age -- All you really need to do is monitor your enchantments, are they ending, just cast or nearing the point where you need to reuse it.
It isn't really too hard I've found.

Age · May 06, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by Tyla

The PBond nerf was because of a bug, but I agree on your other point.

@Age -- All you really need to do is monitor your enchantments, are they ending, just cast or nearing the point where you need to reuse it.
It isn't really too hard I've found.

Don't forget to count for interrupts for eg. [distracting shot][disrupting chop] and any Mesmer interrupt along KC boardwalk.

Tyla · May 06, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Mantra of Resolve.

MrSlayer · May 06, 2008, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Why would they nerf it? It's just a farm. They might as well nerf the W/Rt run, or the Elementalist Earth farming, as they are both just as successful, and both could be so easily nerfed by the simple changing of a single skill.

Age · May 06, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

They would never do this it would be like shooting them selves in the foot.

@Tyla I still mostly use the /W build with bonetti's defence even in UW.When I do Ice Imps I use mantra of resolve.

Steps_Descending · May 06, 2008, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Izzy said something along the lines that Prot Spirit is too important to nerf. So as long as you have regen skills, 55ing will live on.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. A skill they like so much that they don't want to completely destroy even if that means letting a build like 55 live.

But in fact even if they nerfed it now, there are many other build close to it and The new areas are much harder for the 55, even more so with HM, which increasid the number of attack/sec, and Loot scaling which affected farming as a whole, making a mass killing build close or more profitable that the 55.

NoXiFy · May 07, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

raptor farming >>> any other solo farming right now. i made an ele just to do this. 55 farming is weak as it is... it needs no nerfs. Healing breeze... 10nrg to get plus like 8 health regen for 15secs. this got BUFFEd it sucked so hard. blessed aura and all those other bonds took no nerf because... 1 blessed auras not over powered and 2... what are tehy gonna do with the energy ones? every time u get hit u gain 1/4 an energy... LOL. Besides that, SoJ is AoE, peeps hit u a couple times than they kite to heal and u cant do shit but wand them. And SoA is balanced perfectly imo. theres nothing overpowered in 55's.

Paul thy god · May 07, 2008, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by slowerpoke

55 isnt invincible

gb2/wow

Ha try telling that to the opposing team when me and a guildy decided to try it in HA.....Last time they forget the faggety Mesmer

Alex Morningstar · May 26, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04

55 is based on Prot Spirit, which according to Izzy will never be nerfed. As long as there are skills that will negate or cover up the damage you recieve while farming, it will live.

cerb · May 27, 2008, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Because it doesn't have to be nerfed. Who gives a damn if you farm when you have loot scaling, anti-bots mechanism and a ToS that prevents you from selling items (in Diablo II, you could make characters for farming - they would take less than a day to build -, run bots and sell on eBay every week, easily making $100-500+) for real money. Plus it's not like farming ruins the economy : in fact, the introduction of inscriptions had a much bigger impact on it than any farming build. You can also farm in groups.

And at this point of the game - with Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall and EOTN and all the skills/classes they brought, what can't you farm that you can with a 55? The only thing I can think of is Underworld, as you can clear it with 2 men while it is (theorically, yet perhaps could prove me wrong) impossible with any other class. But once again, is splitting the ecto drops between 2 people over 3 hours worth it when you could (with those new split builds) clear it in around 30-40 mins? (That's 5-6 end chests each, minus drops)

That being said, solo can be more profitable as well (55 sucks at soloing compared to War/Ele/Asn/and even Dervish).

I think at this stage of the game, the 55 build is not good anymore (except at some very specific tasks) when you compare it against its alternatives. It requires many skills itself to work and often mixed attributes, giving you little room to play with.

The elementalist Stoneflesh solo build is much more effective as all its core skills, as much defensive as offensive, are from the earth line. And the separation between PvE and PvP skills and the buff to Shadow Form (which is even more ridiculous than 55 at its peak - with prot bond -) really cast a huge shadow on the 55 and its use for farming (only reason I can imagine someone picking a 55 for farming over anything else is the lack of a better character from a different profession)

EDIT - sorry, only read first page and didn't look at post time

byteme! · May 27, 2008, 05:54 AM // 05:54

Absolutely zero point in bringing this question up now. GW1 is at the end of it's development cycle. If 55's were nerfed they should've done it a lot sooner. I see no reason for it now and it would be like shooting yourself in the foot if Anet even attempts such a thing.

Courage! · May 27, 2008, 06:12 AM // 06:12

shhhh dont give anet ideas they alrdy nerfed 100 of my fav builds,even my survivor assassin build got me to r2 survivor WITHOUT using shadow form i didnt know they nerfed it and i went out with my assassin and i died

no more r3 survivor for that sin

anonymous · May 27, 2008, 07:32 AM // 07:32

Because no one gives a shit about PvE balance, the players don't so neither does ANet.

Dr Dimento · May 27, 2008, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Funny....

People saying 55's are overpowered right after the WTFBUFF of Shadow Form makes Sins almost invincible in PVE.

I did the droks run with a level 12 sin ffs...... I also SOLO'd nahpui quarter with it (hint: bring rust for the mesmer). At least 55's actually TAKE damage and have to dedicate a good portion of their skill bar to managing health and energy...... Sin just got crazy overpowered, which is why i made one today and will enjoy it till the inevitable nerf.

If you could combine Obsidian Flesh with Mist Form.......you still don't even come close to Shadow Form, since attacks actually "miss" and spells actually "fail".

Owik Gall · May 27, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

From the looks of the skills, if they nerfed them, then they would be practically useless and very ill effective. It's one of those builds where the creators just scratch their heads and admit that there's nothing they can really do about it. For me, it's a successful build that stumbles the creators from tweaking it down and that's a big accomplishment for creating that build.

RiKio · May 27, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

1- Just do [Shadow Form]
2- Face it, Assassins are better farmers than monks, so start deteling your farming monk, unless you mind to use it in the Ursa groups in DoA
3-Let this thread die.

Age · May 27, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by RiKio

1- Just do [Shadow Form]
2- Face it, Assassins are better farmers than monks, so start deteling your farming monk, unless you mind to use it in the Ursa groups in DoA
3-Let this thread die.

I don't think I would agree with this and yes let this die.I won't be getting rid of my 55 gear.

MStarfire · May 28, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22

The funniest thing I think we could do to Prot Spirit is change it to "target other ally". That'd instantly kill solo farmers and keep the skill intact.

And while we're at it, put Mystic Regen into Mysticism to ruin all the idiots who dump 8 ranks into Earth Prayers for ONE SKILL.

And everyone who's always going on about letting threads die...you make me laugh. You obviously WISH you were moderators, but you're not, so you whine and moan about threads you think should die. Here's a hint: if you don't feel a particular thread to be meritorious, DON'T POST IN IT.